alt.education

In article < @ > Wide Eyed in Wonder writes:
> On Aug 27, 10:04 am, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> > Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >On Aug 26, 5:24 pm, Bob LeChevalier wrote:
> > >> Wide Eyed in Wonder wrote:
> > >> >> >> For those that DON'T believe the Bible, there is no Heaven (and no
> > >> >> >> Hell), so they don't give a damn.
> >
> > >> >> >Yes. My interpretation is
> >
> > >> >> Nobody (but you) CARES what your interpretation is. Your ignorance
> > >> >> gives Christian ministry a bad name.
> >
> > >> >> lojbab
> >
> > >> >How is it that you deny objective interpretation but demand your view
> > >> >be objectively received as truth?
> >
> > >> I demand no such thing. I don't claim any special access to objective
> > >> reality.
> >
> > >> Science is not about "truth" - that is left for religion, philosophy
> > >> and ideology. Science is about models of objective reality that are
> > >> predictively *useful*. Evolution is a observed fact. The theory of
> > >> evolution is a model, an explanation of *many* observed facts that
> > >> makes useful predictions, which of course happen to be correct
> > >> predictions.
> >
> > >Thank you for admitting my view is as true as yours in your liquid
> > >reality.
> >
> > I admit no such thing. Your view of truth is only "true" in YOUR
> > liquid reality. In my reality, you are a fool whose views have
> > nothing to do with reality.
> >
> > >That being said, evolution is definitely not OBSERVED fact,
> >
> > Of course it is; evolution has been observed in nature.
> > Unfortunately, you have no clue what "evolution" is.
> >
> > >since it has never passed the Scientific Method,
> >
> > Of course it has. But you don't know the scientific method, either.
> >
> > >not one case of evolving beings still happening since Evolution was proposed.
> >
> > Since evolution is merely inherited change, the fact that you do not
> > have the same genes as either of your parents is *a* fact of
> > evolution.
> >
> > For observed evolution great enough to result in speciation: /faqs/
> >
> > will provide you with several examples.
> >
> > /faqs/comdesc/
> > will provide you with just SOME of the evidence for common descent,
> > which is part of the Theory of Evolution (which is distinct from the
> > "fact" of evolution, but is hardly lacking in evidence).
> >
> > >What happened....it decided to just stop?
> >
> > Evolution continues every day. Antibiotic resistance, and the
> > ever-developing new strains of flu and AIDS are examples that are
> > well-known. Every human being, having billions of DNA pairs, contains
> > several mutations that distinguish their genes those from either of
> > their parents.
> >
> > lojbab
>
> Evolution is not seen from one species to another...that is what
> evolution is...or, are you now saying evolution is just genetic traits
> WITHIN a species? Aside from that, we haven't had ANY evolution from
> one species to another in the hundreds of years Evolution has been
> discussed.

"hundreds of years"?

How many "hundreds of years", exactly, do you think it's been
since Darwin published "Origin"?

And how long, on the average, is speciation thought to take,
even in the punctuated versions?

That's like saying that since we've never seen a mountain
range eroded flat in "all the years we've been discussing
geology", or seen one pushed up where tectonic plates are
colliding, then geology is bogus.

Not everything in science requires direct observation; some
things are deduced from the traces they leave -- or do
you regard electrons radio waves as having "never passed
the Scientific Method"?

And while we're at it, what exactly is THE Scientific Method?


-- cary