alt.education

On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:25:06 -0700, sbm2006@ wrote:

>On Sep 22, 4:17 am, les_on_usenet
>wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:32:49 -0700, sbm2...@ wrote:
>> >On Sep 20, 7:13 pm, cob...@ (Kate ) wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:43:37 -0700, sbm2...@ wrote:
>> >> >On Sep 19, 9:15 pm, cob...@
>> >> Mind you, it does have to be valid testable evidence and not just your
>> >> feelings or a fictional book that sez so.
>>
>> >ANd what would be acceptable in your mind?
>>
>> He just told you! What part of it do you not understand?
>
>He didn't say squat. I'm asking for something concrete; what would
>you accept as valid, testable evidence?

If you don't know what valid testable evidence is then I cannot help
you. Indeed why should I bother? Convincing us the validy of your
claimed god is your problem not mine.


>> I will give you a clue: It is evidence that does not require
>> unjustified belief to accept. No leaps of faith or stretches
>> of credibility. No suggestions that we have to believe in
>> order to believe (with the usual phrases like 'open your
>> minds and you will see him'), no vague 'just look around you
>> and you will see'.
>
>And an example of that would be...

As given

>> Valid, real factual evidence that we can examine and validate
>> for ourselves.
>
>Such as.....

Again your ignorance, and your problem if you wish us to
convince your claimed go actually exists. It's your claim
a god exists so you should be able to tell us how you know it is not
just mere empty belief or fiction.

>> I am offering no bets you cannot provide it, no
>> financial inducements, just do it for your religion and your
>> claimed god. Be the first Christian in 2000 years to do it.
>>
>> You lot are forever telling us you have lots of evidence but when
>> asked to provide it you:
>>
>> 1. Tell us we won't believe you if we did so you not going to.
>
>We do and you don't.

So 1 is your responce?

>> (religious believers) resort to insult in order to divert
>> attention.
>
>That's you guys. The original poster never invited you to chime in
>about "sky fairies".

I never mentioned 'sky fairies'. You call your claim 'god'. I don't
know what that is or supposed to mean but it is your term
so wthat is what I use. Without any evidence to show your
god exists and it is other than fiction it is equivalent to any other
fiction such as a 'sky fairy' as far as we are concerned.

Attempt to divert attention noted. So is 2 your responce?

>> 3 You Resort to insult and run away
>
>Still waiting to hear where Tacitus and Lucian were "debunked".

Not my conversation.

So you are not going to resort to insult or attempt to
run away? OK I will put three on hold

>> 4. You simply ignore the question as if it had never been asked
>> (which includes a simple repeated assertion that the claimed god
>> exists and is the only true god)
>
>See above.

I am no expert on Tacitus or Lucian but as far as I know they
have never provided evidence to show the Christian god exists
nor were present at any of the supposed events that occurred
in Jerusalem. Are you offering them as evidence that they were
reliable witnessess?

>
>>
>> 5 You Equivocate
>>
>
>Like you don't. I for one am tired of being personally held
>responsible for the Crusades.

I don't hold you personally responsible for the Crusades.
The crusade were called for by the leader of then leading Christian
religion. Do you think it was a proper thing for the head of
Christendom, to do? Do you think all those who answered the
call should have?

Again an attempt to divert attention from you failure to
justify your claims a god exists.

>
>> 6 You Simply disappear, possibly with a parting tirade of abuse.
>
>Maybe we just have better things to do.

It happens quite often but I did not assume you would.
Time will tell.

I certainly have better things to do than wait for you
to show that your claimed god is other than fiction like all
the other claimed gods.

>> True we do get the occasional honest Christian who will
>> admit their claim is mere unjustified belief. (they won't put
>> it quite like that of course :-) and they merit our respect.
>>
>> We have no problem with people believing things just as
>> long as they respect our right not to share that belief. Leave
>> us alone and we are more than happy to leave you alone
>> as we have no interest in your religion.
>
>You keep saying that, but who butted into this thread in the first
>place?

This is . It is open to any member of this newsgroup
to add comments to anything posted here. If you post religious
nonesense here you must expect a responce.

If you are unwilling or unable to attempt to show that your
claimed god is other than fiction then you are free to leave
but as long as you remain here you will be expected to
justify any claims you make.

No attempt to show your claimed god exists noted.



Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County